Menachos Daf 9 מנחוס דַף 9

Amoraim discuss: בללה חוץ לחומת עזרה – if one mixed [a minchah’s flour] with oil outside the Courtyard, Rebbe Yochanan says it is invalid. Reish Lakish says it is valid, because the passuk mentions pouring the oil and placing the לבונה before mentioning Kohanim taking the kemitzah, indicating that from kemitzah and on, Kohanim are required. לימד על יציקה ובלילה שכשרין בזר – This teaches that pouring and mixing the oil are valid even if done by a non-Kohen. ומדכהונה לא בעיא פנים נמי לא בעיא – And since Kehunah is not required, doing it inside the עזרה is also not required. Rebbe Yochanan disagrees, and says that כיון דעשייתה בכלי הוא – since its mixing is performed in a כלי [שרת], so although Kehunah is not required, it still must be performed inside the עזרה. A Baraisa supports Rebbe Yochanan.

Amoraim discuss: מנחה שחסרה קודם קמיצה – a minchah which became deficient before kemitzah, Rebbe Yochanan says: יביא מתוך ביתו וימלאנה – he should bring more flour from his house and refill it, but Reish Lakish says he cannot, and the minchah is disqualified. The Gemara explains that Rebbe Yochanan holds קמיצה קבעה ליה – the kemitzah establishes it as a minchah, so the disqualification (derived on amud beis) of מנחה שחסרה – “a minchah which became deficient” does not apply before kemitzah, and it may be refilled. Reish Lakish holds קדושת כלי קבעה ליה – the sanctity of the כלי establishes it as a minchah, and it is subject to the disqualification of מנחה שחסרה even before the kemitzah. A Baraisa teaches that a לוג שמן of a מצרוע which became deficient before being poured may be refilled, although it was already placed in a כלי שרת. Thus, Reish Lakish is refuted.

Amoraim discuss: שירים שחסרו בין קמיצה להקטרה – remnants of a minchah which became deficient between the kemitzah and the burning of the kometz, Rebbe Yochanan says מקטיר קומץ עליהן – one still burns the kometz for them, but Reish Lakish says one may not burn the kometz for them. According to Rebbe Eliezer, who holds the kometz can be offered even if the שירים are destroyed, all agree this deficient kometz can be offered. They argue according to Rebbe Yehoshua, who holds that if the שירים were completely destroyed, the kometz may not be offered. Rebbe Yochanan says that Rebbe Yehoshua agrees that היכא דאישתייר – where some of it remains, the kometz may be offered. On amud beis, two derashos teach that a minchah which became deficient is invalid. They apparently prove both of Reish Lakish’s opinions, teaching that a minchah which became deficient before kemitzah is פסול (and cannot be refilled), and that if שירים became deficient after the kemitzah, the kometz cannot be offered!? The Gemara answers that the first teaches that if the minchah became deficient before kemitzah, it must be refilled, and the second teaches that if שירים became deficient after the kemitzah, then even though the kometz may be offered, the שירים are still forbidden in consumption.