Zevachim Daf 104 זבחים דַף 104

In a Baraisa, Rebbe says: הדם מרצה על העור בפני עצמו – [זריקה of] the blood effects acceptance for the hide on its own (i.e., when it was skinned, and the meat was disqualified and cannot be permitted with זריקה). Still, if it was attached to the בשר, then whether the בשר became פסול before or after זריקה, the עור is פסול like the בשר. Rebbe Elazar bar Rebbe Shimon says that זריקה is not מרצה for skinned עור on its own. When it is still attached, then if the בשר was disqualified before זריקה, the עור is also פסול, but if the בשר became disqualified after זריקה, the עור remains valid, and is given to Kohanim. The Gemara suggests this machlokes parallels another: Rebbe Yehoshua says אם אין בשר אין דם – If there is no valid meat to permit, there is no blood, i.e., זריקה is not performed. Rebbe Eliezer holds זריקה is performed even where there is no valid meat. Perhaps the first Tannaim are also arguing whether זריקה may be performed without valid בשר. The Gemara concludes that they may be arguing according to Rebbe Yehoshua, and Rebbe can say that regarding עורות, because of פסידא דכהנים – a loss to the Kohanim, Rebbe Yehoshua will agree that the זריקה is effective for the עור alone.

The next Mishnah states: פרים הנשרפים ושעירים הנשרפים – the bulls which are burned and the goats which are burned, בזמן שהן נשרפין כמצותן – when they are burned according to their proper procedure, נשרפים בבית הדשן ומטמאין בגדים – they are burned in the "בית הדשן" (literally “place of ashes”) and they are metamei people involved in their burning such that they are metamei their garments. If they are not being burned כמצותן (because they became פסול), they are burned in the "בית הבירה" (defined below), and are not מטמא [people to be מטמא] their בגדים. Rebbe Yochanan says the "בירה" refers to a particular place on the הר הבית with that name. Reish Lakish says the entire Beis Hamikdash is called the "בירה". Rabba bar Avuha says there were three בית דשנין – places of ashes: (1) a large בית הדשן in the עזרה for burning disqualified קדשי קדשים and פרים הנשרפים which were disqualified before זריקה, (2) another בית הדשן on the הר הבית for פרים הנשרפים which were disqualified after זריקה, and (3) one outside the three camps (i.e., outside Yerushalayim), for burning the פרים הנשרפין according to their proper procedure. A Baraisa gives a slightly different version of these three בית דשנין.

Rebbe Yirmiyah asked: לינה מהו שתועיל בפרים הנשרפים ובשעירים הנשרפים – is remaining overnight effective to disqualify meat of the burned bulls and the burned goats? Do we say לינה only disqualifies בשר דבר אכילה – meat which is consumed (by people or the מזבח), but not the meat of פרים הנשרפים, or does it disqualify this meat as well? Although a Baraisa proves that פיגול intent is ineffective for פרים הנשרפים, because they are not “consumed” items, it is still possible that לינה does disqualify them. Rebbe Eliezer asked: יציאה מהו שתועיל בפרים הנשרפים ושעירים הנשרפים – does leaving [the עזרה before זריקה] disqualify the burned bulls and the burned goats? This question is relevant according to the opinion that we say, regarding קדשים קלים which left the עזרה before zerikah, עדיין לא הגיע זמנו לצאת – its time to leave has not yet arrived, and it is disqualified by leaving. Does this only apply to meat of קדשים קלים, which will not be required to leave the עזרה, but פרים הנשרפים, which will later be required to leave the עזרה, would not be disqualified by leaving early?